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	<title>Comments on: Lyja, where the hell art thou (now)?</title>
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		<title>By: 08/15/08 - quick thoughts &#171; The Pull Box</title>
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		<dc:creator>08/15/08 - quick thoughts &#171; The Pull Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Invasion: FF - I&#8217;ve been wondering where the heck Lyja went for quite a while, so seeing her is at least good news.  But I&#8217;m not buying this evil Lyja bit, hopefully that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Invasion: FF &#8211; I&#8217;ve been wondering where the heck Lyja went for quite a while, so seeing her is at least good news.  But I&#8217;m not buying this evil Lyja bit, hopefully that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: andy [Member]</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy [Member]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always said that comics &amp; wrestling were soap opera equivalents for males.

I think guys just need something else in their soap, so to speak. True, for me, 90% of the time I couldn&#039;t give less of a shit for romance/relationships in comics - especially when they are poorly done, but 5-10% of them are done well and thus interesting.  Once in a while they are done well though - the above mentioned one wasn&#039;t really done well at all, which was sort of my point. Well, it ended horribly at least - for years of investment the audience deserves some payback.

However, the unfortunate case with big name comic characters is that they pretty much 100% absolutely positively never ever change anything about them.  And Johnny Storm&#039;s &quot;thing&quot; is that he is a hotshot single guy (a la Maverick...hmmm).  They decided they liked him that way, and his &quot;romance angle&quot; was the perpetual state of falling in love, as opposed to dealing with mature love like Reed &amp; Sue (they are one of the few comic couples in this position).  Which makes me wonder how long the Storm &amp; Black Panther marriage will last.  Hopefully at least 5 years.  The way they built it up it sounds like he needs a child from her first at least though. ;)  Which would be cool, kids in comics are also very rare.  Unless they are hyper-aged future versions of those children.  Because otherwise their parents would have to age too...

Oh right, my original point - guys need something else to make drama interesting: sci-fi or fantasy settings (Star Trek, Conan, etc.), super-powers, or...in the case of the ...&quot;differently enlightened&quot; (low-fuctioning? :P) beefy men &amp; women in bathing suits hitting each other over the heads with boards.


Me, if I want violence I&#039;d just as soon watch a martial arts or action movie where it&#039;s much better done and if I want T&amp;A I might as well just watch some porn or something where it&#039;s not dressed up trying to pretend it&#039;s not appealing to the same part of your brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always said that comics &amp; wrestling were soap opera equivalents for males.</p>
<p>I think guys just need something else in their soap, so to speak. True, for me, 90% of the time I couldn&#8217;t give less of a shit for romance/relationships in comics &#8211; especially when they are poorly done, but 5-10% of them are done well and thus interesting.  Once in a while they are done well though &#8211; the above mentioned one wasn&#8217;t really done well at all, which was sort of my point. Well, it ended horribly at least &#8211; for years of investment the audience deserves some payback.</p>
<p>However, the unfortunate case with big name comic characters is that they pretty much 100% absolutely positively never ever change anything about them.  And Johnny Storm&#8217;s &#8220;thing&#8221; is that he is a hotshot single guy (a la Maverick&#8230;hmmm).  They decided they liked him that way, and his &#8220;romance angle&#8221; was the perpetual state of falling in love, as opposed to dealing with mature love like Reed &amp; Sue (they are one of the few comic couples in this position).  Which makes me wonder how long the Storm &amp; Black Panther marriage will last.  Hopefully at least 5 years.  The way they built it up it sounds like he needs a child from her first at least though. ;)  Which would be cool, kids in comics are also very rare.  Unless they are hyper-aged future versions of those children.  Because otherwise their parents would have to age too&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh right, my original point &#8211; guys need something else to make drama interesting: sci-fi or fantasy settings (Star Trek, Conan, etc.), super-powers, or&#8230;in the case of the &#8230;&#8221;differently enlightened&#8221; (low-fuctioning? :P) beefy men &amp; women in bathing suits hitting each other over the heads with boards.</p>
<p>Me, if I want violence I&#8217;d just as soon watch a martial arts or action movie where it&#8217;s much better done and if I want T&amp;A I might as well just watch some porn or something where it&#8217;s not dressed up trying to pretend it&#8217;s not appealing to the same part of your brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Bethany [Visitor]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bethany [Visitor]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing is: guys &quot;hate&quot; soap operas. And yet. *finger to mouth in feigned contemplation* WWE and comic books such as these (and by &quot;such as these&quot; I mean sappy, nonsensical and chocked full of &quot;last minute&quot; switheroos) are abundant. Thy cup literally runneth over. And while I do not read FF (because I have something against the foursome...I find them forced and somewhat boring for a collective... for someone who only reads comic books in passing), I do feel highly qualified to comment on this &quot;storyline&quot; after reading this blog. Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing is: guys &#8220;hate&#8221; soap operas. And yet. *finger to mouth in feigned contemplation* WWE and comic books such as these (and by &#8220;such as these&#8221; I mean sappy, nonsensical and chocked full of &#8220;last minute&#8221; switheroos) are abundant. Thy cup literally runneth over. And while I do not read FF (because I have something against the foursome&#8230;I find them forced and somewhat boring for a collective&#8230; for someone who only reads comic books in passing), I do feel highly qualified to comment on this &#8220;storyline&#8221; after reading this blog. Cheers.</p>
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