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		<title>more on photorealistic covers, midriffs and backs</title>
		<link>http://onefinemess.rhinopanda.net/2010/06/06/more-on-photorealistic-covers/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 03:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>onefinemess</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, I&#8217;m amused/nonplussed/annoyed/confused/gassy about the current state of &#8220;fantasy&#8221; covers.  Nothing personal against any of the authors &#8211; as I have a pretty good idea how much say authors can be limited to when it comes to covers, and the books may well be wondrous troves of deep, enriching fantasy goodstuff.  So, let&#8217;s just [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://onefinemess.rhinopanda.net/2010/01/30/what-is-going-on-with-the-fantasysci-fi-section/" target="_blank">Once again</a>, I&#8217;m amused/nonplussed/annoyed/confused/gassy about the current state of &#8220;fantasy&#8221; covers.  Nothing personal against any of the authors &#8211; as I have a pretty good idea how much say authors can be limited to when it comes to covers, and the books may well be wondrous troves of deep, enriching fantasy goodstuff.  So, let&#8217;s just call this a commentary on marketing and genre encroachment.  Or something.</p>
<p>ONWARD!</p>
<p><a href="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1280/4676755593_ab22ccc696_b.jpg"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1280/4676755593_ab22ccc696_b.jpg" alt="" width="614" height="410" /></a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that one is about someone who bathes at night?  In front of a stained glass window?  Or something?  I mean, the cover must tell us something about the book right?  Oh, that there&#8217;s a dark haired woman in it.  OK.  (Because even the most <a href="http://www.goodshowsir.co.uk/" target="_blank">egregious of fantasy covers</a> usually at least shows you stuff that&#8217;s in the book.  Big, buff dude with sword? CHECK!)</p>
<p>Oh, and it looks like I already mentioned the above cover in the <a href="http://onefinemess.rhinopanda.net/2010/01/30/what-is-going-on-with-the-fantasysci-fi-section/" target="_blank">previous post</a>.  The fact that there isn&#8217;t more overlap in two random samples probably says exactly what I want it to.</p>
<p><a href="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4677385434_9d533b11b9_b.jpg"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4677385434_9d533b11b9_b.jpg" alt="" width="614" height="410" /></a></p>
<p>So, there&#8217;s obviously something going on, at least in some marketing departments.  They are signaling something here, but <em>what</em>?  That even in moonlight it&#8217;s still warm enough to wear a short shirt?</p>
<p><a href="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4677384478_8f9fb44120_b.jpg"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4677384478_8f9fb44120_b.jpg" alt="" width="614" height="410" /></a></p>
<p>More with the backs.  I&#8217;m guessing these are supposed to be &#8220;classier&#8221; but uhh.  Does she strip a lot for plot reasons?  Is she a concubine?  Does this belong on the fantasy section or did it sneak over from romance?  I guess not, because there&#8217;s not a dude on the cover.  Maybe it&#8217;s some kind of new genre about self-romance?</p>
<p><a href="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4676753265_8d7550b027_b.jpg"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4676753265_8d7550b027_b.jpg" alt="" width="614" height="410" /></a></p>
<p>I know I&#8217;ve heard this series mentioned favorably by urban fantasy readers&#8230; but I have a sneaking suspicion most of them are really reading them as paranormal romances.  I just can&#8217;t take it seriously with those covers.  I mean, the Dresden Files books have atrocious photo-realistic covers as well, but at least the dude is dressed.  Is this making me sound like a prude?</p>
<p>&lt;.&lt;</p>
<p>&gt;.&gt;</p>
<p>But seriously.  These covers are not pinups how?  Maybe that&#8217;s intentional and there&#8217;s no shame.  So that&#8217;s cool too.  But I&#8217;m just saying.  I mean, I guess fantasy covers have been decked out with half naked dudes forever, so this really should be cool, but it&#8217;s somehow unsettling.  It definitely feels like I&#8217;m in the romance section half the time.  Which is fine, <em>except that&#8217;s totally not where I was trying to be</em>.</p>
<p><a href="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1287/4676752597_43187d1f5f_b.jpg"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1287/4676752597_43187d1f5f_b.jpg" alt="" width="614" height="543" /></a></p>
<p>Yes, this bookstore files horror with fantasy and sci-fi.  That might explain some of this (horror includes some paranormal romance type stuff like the Laurell K. Hamilton books, etc. these days), except that I&#8217;m pretty sure all the covers in question are ones I&#8217;ve seen in other books stores that don&#8217;t jumble stuff up.</p>
<p>So the one of the left looks like a standard fantasy cover.  Then the next two&#8230; midriff exposed? CHECK.  Photorealistic?  CHECK.  Girl leaning on sports car? WTF.</p>
<p><a href="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1299/4677381912_97789e2b1e_b.jpg"><img class="alignnone" src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1299/4677381912_97789e2b1e_b.jpg" alt="" width="614" height="410" /></a></p>
<p>OK.  The one on the left.  Umm.  Maybe?  Kinda?  If the LOWER BACK TATTOO wasn&#8217;t, you know, existing?  But then the one on the right?  She doesn&#8217;t even deserve for her entire face to be seen evidently.  Because.  The belly tattoo evidently tells you all you need to know.  Which is probably true?</p>
<p>So what am I getting it?  I think I&#8217;m being genre-ist.  I think paranormal romance should be filed under romance.  Why?  Because &#8230; I&#8217;m going out on a limb here &#8230; but I *suspect* that most people browsing the fantasy/sci-fi (and even the horror section, where some of this also dwells) are <strong>not</strong> looking for romance.  Because then they would be in the romance section.  Because uh, Wheel of Time filed under romance?  I mean, there <strong>is</strong> a ton of romance there.  Right?  So it should be in romance right?  No.  Because why?  Because I&#8217;m too tired to explain it to you if you really need me to.  Maybe later.</p>
<p>Urban fantasy works in fantasy just fine.  The epic themes, confrontations &amp; characters are all part and parcel of the fantasy world.  Hell, Zelazny did what we&#8217;d now call &#8220;urban fantasy&#8221; with his <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Amber#The_Merlin_Cycle" target="_blank">later Amber novels</a> IIRC.   So far, the Dresden Files are the only modern urban fantasy I&#8217;ve read that I think fits here.  I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s more. *fingers crossed*</p>
<p>Publishers/whoever labels books to be sold:  please stop.  Paranormal romance != urban fantasy.</p>
<p>That is all.</p>
<p>Oh no, wait.  Also: <strong>I hate photo-realistic covers</strong>.  Even the ones that &#8220;fit&#8221; in fantasy/sci-fi (and they work much better for sci-fi).  Especially when you can tell that the cover model was obviously someone&#8217;s friend or relative because uh&#8230; how else would they get the job?  (Hey &#8211; my main character looks like your ugly little sister &#8211; the one with the weird shaped head that always dated drunks &#8211; let&#8217;s use her for the cover!   Yeah.  I&#8217;m gonna bet a quarter that no one ever says that.)</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the point of sf/fantasy to take you AWAY from reality, not bring you closer to it?  (Hence I get why UF/PN covers have these covers&#8230; because they want to make it seem more like real life.  BUT STILL.)</p>
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		<title>What is going on with the fantasy/sci-fi section?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>onefinemess</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are urban fantasy covers &#8220;ruining&#8221; it?  Rendering it trashier?  And keep in mind I ask this as a writer of UF. I put &#8220;ruining&#8221; in quotes because well,  it&#8217;s all relative isn&#8217;t it&#8230;? So, am I getting at? Well, let&#8217;s start with an illustration.  I picked out four books, somewhat at random, on my last [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are urban fantasy covers &#8220;ruining&#8221; it?  Rendering it trashier?  And keep in mind I ask this as a writer of UF.</p>
<p>I put &#8220;ruining&#8221; in quotes because well,  it&#8217;s all relative isn&#8217;t it&#8230;?</p>
<p>So, am I getting at?<br />
Well, let&#8217;s start with an illustration.  I picked out four books, somewhat at random, on my last trip into a leading bookstore.  Some of them are from the fantasy/sci-fi section, and some are from the romance section.  Can you guess which ones are which from the covers below (click for bigger version)?</p>
<div id="attachment_1691" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 501px"><a href="http://onefinemess.rhinopanda.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/whichdoesnotbelong.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-1691 " title="whichdoesnotbelong" src="http://onefinemess.rhinopanda.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/whichdoesnotbelong.jpg" alt="" width="491" height="225" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Which are not like the others?</p></div>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not a trick question.  Well, at least on the most basic level or two.  Beyond that, sure, but then again that&#8217;s the point of my post isn&#8217;t it?  No, I&#8217;m not going to tell you the answer right off the bat &#8211; please post guesses in the comments &#8211; NO GOOGLING (or binging, etc.) please.</p>
<p>Now, I have nothing against any of these authors, I picked them specifically because I&#8217;ve never heard of them and can be an impartial jerk.</p>
<p>Oh right, what is my issue?  WELL.  They all look kinda like romance covers, don&#8217;t they?  The difference being most romance covers have some hot sweaty man meat on there too (but not all, as evidenced by the cover(s) above).</p>
<p>So, maybe the content of these books is fantasy/sci-fi (in the genre term, not the general &#8211; <em>everything</em> non-fiction is a fantasy in the generic) but the covers really look like they are trying to sell them as romances.  Which makes me wonder &#8211; <em>who the fuck is the target audience for these covers</em>?</p>
<p><strong>Women? </strong><br />
Do female fantasy readers want to see their (theoretically) empowering heroines dolled up like sexmeat?  Remember, this is fantasy/sci-fi, not romance.</p>
<p><strong>Men? </strong><br />
Point of clarity: If men want porn they&#8217;ll get porn.<br />
If men want romance then uh, well, they won&#8217;t be in the F/SF section. I&#8217;d bet money that most men would be somewhat embarrassed to be seen reading a book with a cover like that.</p>
<p><strong>Who then?</strong><br />
*shrugs*  You got me.  One thing I know is that it sends a definite signal about what these books are going to be like &#8211; they all seem to follow the Laurell K Hamilton model of awesome badass hot chic who is involved in passionate (&#8220;passionate&#8221; seems to be a keyword on the back covers) relationships.</p>
<p>Look.  Let me clue you in here &#8220;urban fantasy publishers&#8221;: fantasy has romance.  It does.  I enjoy a well written romantic subplot within the context of a fantasy novel.  However, once that romance (and its &#8220;passion&#8221;) becomes the central area of focus (by weight of words), I think you&#8217;re treading into romance land.  Now, this is probably a point of contention BUT, for me, there&#8217;s a somewhat clear break.  If 51% of your plot is &#8220;passionate&#8221;, in the romantic sense, then you&#8217;ve got a romance. Hell, that % could be even lower, 35%? I dunno.  My point is, just because something is set in a UF/F/SF setting, that shouldn&#8217;t guarantee the shelving in F.   I&#8217;m not saying any of the books above should be shelved in romance &#8211; again I have no idea what is inside &#8211; I&#8217;m just saying, they look like they should.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rambling and probably not making my point well.  So I&#8217;ll continue.</p>
<p>Another thing I noticed is that UF by male authors seems to always have a guy in a trenchcoat on the cover (SHUT UP BETHANY!  I&#8217;ll do something else for the cover&#8230;or get rid of the jacket.  Goddamm trenchcoat zeitgeist.).  UF by female authors tends to have covers like&#8230;well, in the picture above.  Make of that what you will.</p>
<p>Oh.  And I&#8217;m still not convinced that UF should be shelved in F/SF.  Seeing the Twilight books shelved in the F/SF section in one store&#8230;I think it broke something deep inside.  OK, I know that&#8217;s technically different, because those should be shelved in the kid section.  But seriously, UF is blowing up like crazy lately you know?  I think it&#8217;s just about big enough for it&#8217;s own bed.  Right btw. horror &amp; F/SF.</p>
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		<title>halfway, again</title>
		<link>http://onefinemess.rhinopanda.net/2009/10/27/halfway-again/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>onefinemess</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, I&#8217;ve been working on my second &#8220;book&#8221; for about a month now.  I&#8217;m 32k in, which should be about halfway.  I&#8217;m also at chapter 15 out of my planned 20 on my outline. Although the final chapters will be denser than the beginning ones, it seems like I may need to add some things; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I&#8217;ve been working on my second &#8220;book&#8221; for about a month now.  I&#8217;m 32k in, which should be about halfway.  I&#8217;m also at chapter 15 out of my planned 20 on my outline. Although the final chapters will be denser than the beginning ones, it seems like I may need to add some things; don&#8217;t want to end up with a novella.  My goal was to hit 70-75k, then edit it down to about 62k.  We&#8217;ll see&#8230;</p>
<p>Midpoints of large projects are uplifting, because the end point suddenly lumbers into view, and you can feel better about yourself and your capabilities and all that.  Which is good.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s definitely going faster than my first attempt &#8211; that took me a year to get this far &#8211; maybe longer!  Still, not nearly as fast as I&#8217;d like to: either I don&#8217;t have the time, or when I do I&#8217;m really not in the mood (late evening kid burnout, or holding a kid).</p>
<p>So, &#8220;what is it?&#8221; you ask  ( I assume you ask because you&#8217;ve bothered to read this far).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying for basic pulp fantasy this time around.  Swords and sorcery.  A (small) dragon or two.  A heroine and a hero.  No unicorns (yet?).  Not quite epic fantasy, but with the potential to bloom into that with later books in the series.  Yes, it&#8217;s the first book in another series.  I can&#8217;t concept a book that stands on its own.  /shrug.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about&#8230; a sword and the woman he loves.  More or less.</p>
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		<title>Book Reviews: Warbreaker and Elantris</title>
		<link>http://onefinemess.rhinopanda.net/2009/07/05/book-reviews-warbreaker-and-elantris/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>onefinemess</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Warbreaker by: Brandon Sanderson His latest, although evidently it was written a while ago, or something.  He also released early drafts of it on the web for free.  I probably should have checked them out, to see more about how his process went but I hate reading books on computer. So. Yeah this was good, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1437" title="warbreaker-sanderson" src="http://onefinemess.rhinopanda.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/warbreaker-sanderson.jpg" alt="warbreaker-sanderson" width="253" height="382" /><strong>Warbreaker</strong><br />
by: Brandon Sanderson</p>
<p>His latest, although evidently it was written a while ago, or something.  He also released early drafts of it on the web for free.  I probably should have checked them out, to see more about how his process went but I hate reading books on computer.</p>
<p>So. Yeah this was good, it took me a while to get into it &#8211; 15 chapters or so, so that makes it probably his &#8220;least&#8221; good book, but it was still quite enjoyable.  The whole magic system came off kind of goofy to me BUT with the caveat that if he has a good explanation for it in a later book I may change my mind.  Only having certain phrases invoke the magic just seems silly.  I suspect that&#8217;s not the case, and it&#8217;s just that certain things are simpler than others, but we&#8217;ll see.  The whole color thing is rather strange too, but I suppose there is energy of some sort stored in colors sooo&#8230;ok, sure.</p>
<p>My only real complaint is that we didn&#8217;t get enough info about the magic system.</p>
<p>The story itself was entertaining though &#8211; a really rather classic multiple bait-and-switch setup &#8211; probably the most &#8220;normal&#8221; of his 5 books so far.  I think it was the shortest too.  Still, none of these things are real negatives &#8211; I recommend it for any high fantasy fan.</p>
<p><strong>3.85 STARS out of 5<br />
</strong></p>
<p><strong><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1438" title="elantris-big" src="http://onefinemess.rhinopanda.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/elantris-big.jpg" alt="elantris-big" width="300" height="450" />Elantris</strong><br />
also by: Brandon Sanderson</p>
<p>Wow, what a debut.  I&#8217;m not even going to bother shooting this high.  Definitely stronger than Warbreaker (I know, I read the new one before the old one but they are only microscopically related, so it doesn&#8217;t matter, nyah!).</p>
<p>There were very few parts I skimmed &#8211; just some annoying banter about food.  People talking about food&#8230;yeah that&#8217;s pretty much something I&#8217;m not going to waste more than half a second on.</p>
<p>The rest of the novel (you know, the other 99.9%) was excellent, especially for a debut.  He created a fascinating world &#8211; almost as interesting as the Mistborne world, and more so than the Warbreaker one (so far) &#8211; and populated it with some good characters.  That being said, the story was definitely not as unpredictable as his other books.  Even though I said Warbreaker followed more of a formula, that formula included lots of twists and turns &#8211; this one had very few.  The ones it did have were great though.</p>
<p>I wish he&#8217;d explained a little more thoroughly what they had to do to fix the magic, but I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s out there on an internet discussion board somewhere, waiting for me.</p>
<p>Highly recommended for fantasy lovers.</p>
<p><strong>4.1 STARS out of 5</strong></p>
<p>Having finished all his (published) books, I&#8217;m definitely seeing a reoccurring theme of religion: examining it, its strength and roles in society, and its relationship with various forms of resurrection.</p>
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